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lbeard

03-05-06, 04:26 PM (GMT (ST))
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"RB Masterclass tonight"
 
   Tonight's master class will cover Birthday Offering and Sleeping Beauty. Donald MacLeary will be coaching - dancers not determined yet.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: RB Masterclass tonight alison 03-05-06 1
     RE: RB Masterclass tonight dew_lyla 03-05-06 2
         RE: RB Masterclass tonight Sim 04-05-06 3
             RE: RB Masterclass tonight ami 04-05-06 4
         RE: RB Masterclass tonight alison 04-05-06 5
             RE: RB Masterclass tonight dragons tooth 04-05-06 6
                 RE: RB Masterclass tonight wulff 04-05-06 7
                     RE: RB Masterclass tonight Tony 04-05-06 9
                         RE: RB Masterclass tonight alison 04-05-06 11
                             RE: RB Masterclass tonight Tony 05-05-06 17
                 RE: RB Masterclass tonight Anjuli_Bai 04-05-06 8
                     RE: RB Masterclass tonight wulff 04-05-06 10
                         RE: RB Masterclass tonight alison 04-05-06 12
                     RE: RB Masterclass tonight ferlodewal 04-05-06 13
                         RE: RB Masterclass tonight wulff 04-05-06 14
                             RE: RB Masterclass tonight Anjuli_Bai 04-05-06 15
                                 RE: RB Masterclass tonight ferlodewal 05-05-06 16

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alison

03-05-06, 05:20 PM (GMT (ST))
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1. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   Well, as long as they have been by the time it starts ...

Thanks, Linda.


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dew_lyla

03-05-06, 10:55 PM (GMT (ST))
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2. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   The dancers were Alexandra Ansanelli and Valeri Hristov. Pianist was Philip Cornfield.

In Birthday Offering, both dancers rehearsed the pas de deux. Ansanelli was a delight to watch, her technique was clean and neat. Her balances were very assured. Valeri Hristov provide more support than dancing in this pas de deux. As much as Anasanelli is a technically strong dancer, I believe firmer handling from Hristov would be helpful.

In Sleeping Beauty section, Ansanelli rehearsed Aurora's solo from Act 1. She did a slightly different version from the Royal Ballet's, which MacLeary then amend and re-rehease. Ansanelli's strength lies in her prolonged balances which most of the audience hold their breath as she holds hers. Strong technique, joyful and pleasant personality, I believe her future is bright with the Royal.

MacLeary shared some nostalgic memories of his, when he was a dancer and student, personally I appreciate greatly, as I believe the heritage of ballet needs to be preserved and shared amongst the generations.

MacLeary mentioned an issue, which I strongly agree, that ballet is an art form and not an atheletic presentation. "We are dancing to tell a story, we are not training dancers for the olympics." Which is very very true. There is no pleasure watching a person getting their legs by their ears or doing world-breaking record of fouette pirouettes when they cannot even show any emotions on their face.

I am personally very grateful to have this ticket to watch the Royal Ballet Masterclass, it was highly informative and inspiring.


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Sim

04-05-06, 08:39 AM (GMT (ST))
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3. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   Yes, it was a very enjoyable evening. I thought Miss Ansanelli really enjoyed herself too; she had a natural affinity with the audience, laughing and joking and relating to us the whole time, and being very open. I was very interested to hear her say that she had been born with scoliosis and had a brace for the first five years of her life (maybe that's why she took up ballet, to strengthen her back?) and still has to do special exercises every morning to keep herself in shape. She also said that she is studying economics! Perhaps looking ahead towards life after ballet?! She had been working hard at the open class in the morning from 1030, and at 9.00 pm she was still there, answering our questions having rehearsed all day. She has a very infectious giggle and sunny character, and I really wish her well for however long she is here at the RB.

Donald Macleary is someone I could listen to all night, full of stories and anecdotes and clearly in love with his art. It is always fascinating to listen to someone who has a whole bank of experience which, as he said, he carries in his head all the time...he doesn't need notators' notes for the classics because he's done them all so often every step is in his head! He said he can't remember what he did yesterday, but he remembers all those steps! He is a joy to listen to.


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ami

04-05-06, 11:08 AM (GMT (ST))
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4. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   LAST EDITED ON 04-05-06 AT 11:18 AM (GMT)
 
Ansanelli's scoliosis is one of the inspiring stories of ballet, in my opinion - amongst others.

There was an article about it in the NYT or so a few years back. I'll see if I can dig it up. But *bless* her for being so open and honest about it.

Too often we get caught up in 'having the perfect ballet bodies' - but often the best of the professionals themselves don't - or were even put in ballet to correct some of these issues... and they prove to us mere mortals that dreaming isn't such a bad thing - I know that Ansanelli's story has been used to inspire and encourage many young girls also faced with scoliosis.

eta:

The link: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/14/arts/dance/14LIES.html?ex=1146888000&en=79ca406465fe476e&ei=5070

You need to register but it's free. One of my friends has commented that it's interesting that often students think they won't get into vocational school X because they have (bad feet, bad turnout, bad posture... whatever) - but then, you have people like Ansanelli (among others), who flourished in one of 'those' vocational schools... Thank goodness for it, I say!


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alison

04-05-06, 01:21 PM (GMT (ST))
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5. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   dew_lyla:
>MacLeary mentioned an issue, which I strongly agree, that
>ballet is an art form and not an atheletic presentation. "We
>are dancing to tell a story, we are not training dancers for
>the olympics." Which is very very true. There is no pleasure
>watching a person getting their legs by their ears or doing
>world-breaking record of fouette pirouettes when they cannot
>even show any emotions on their face.

ami:
>Too often we get caught up in 'having the perfect ballet
>bodies' - but often the best of the professionals themselves
>don't - or were even put in ballet to correct some of these
>issues...

I strongly agree with both these, too. Too often these days it seems that people get obsessed with the "perfect physique" for a dancer and forget about the artistry, the line, the emotional involvement, etc. etc. I was pondering only the other day, partly as a consequence of the "Ballets Russes" film, on a) how many former dancers of great merit wouldn't even have made it through into today's companies because of their less-than-ideal shape and b) whether many of today's dancers would be rather more interesting if there had been less concentration on the physical aspects of dancing.


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dragons tooth

04-05-06, 01:47 PM (GMT (ST))
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6. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   I was pondering
>only the other day, partly as a consequence of the "Ballets
>Russes" film, on a) how many former dancers of great merit
>wouldn't even have made it through into today's companies
>because of their less-than-ideal shape and b) whether many
>of today's dancers would be rather more interesting if there
>had been less concentration on the physical aspects of
>dancing.

True indeed - sometimes we're left wondering whether some of today's dancers wouldn't have made it through into yesteryear's companies for lack of artistry!

Happily, there are many more in very recent times who have taken on a truly artistic sensibility.

Another amazing scoliosis story, also out of the NYCB, is Wendy Wheelen.


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wulff

04-05-06, 02:38 PM (GMT (ST))
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7. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   One of the corrections that Donald gave to Alexandra in the Birthday Offering pdd was to "pull up" her Attitude, ie do a Cecchetti attitude rather than the more extended Russian one that seems to have become increasingly prevalent these days. He referred to this as one of the features of the British style. Certainly if you look at any photos of Margot Fonteyn in the Rose Adagio you will see this type of attitude clearly demonstrated. In the last production of Sleeping Beauty it was, for obvious reasons, notable by its absence. It will be interesting to see whether in the forthcoming production it will be restored, or whether this is an aspect of the British style which is destined to be lost.


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Tony

04-05-06, 03:04 PM (GMT (ST))
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9. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   There are only two British dancers presently in the company who have danced Aurora. Neither of them it would appear will be dancing the role again. My memories of one of them was that she treated the role with great respect with regards to the British style. Come to think of it those two dancers have been the only British dancers to have danced the role in the last twelve or so years.


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alison

04-05-06, 05:29 PM (GMT (ST))
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11. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   Bet I can guess who you're thinking of

Didn't Deborah Bull dance it at some stage, though?


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Tony

05-05-06, 07:50 AM (GMT (ST))
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17. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   Alison, I stand corrected. I actually saw one of her performances which was technically outstanding. I think my memory was being clouded by my thoughts on the lack of British dancers in this role in recent years. The youngest British dancer to have danced the role in recent years was barely out of corps when she was given the chance. Most critics thought she was very good. I certainly did


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Anjuli_Bai

04-05-06, 02:57 PM (GMT (ST))
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8. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   <<<<< There is no pleasure
>watching a person getting their legs by their ears or doing
>world-breaking record of fouette pirouettes when they cannot
>even show any emotions on their face. >>>>>

Amen to that! I would add there is no beauty to an oversplit grand jeté - I find that just plain gross. It's the arc of flight that is captivating - that says something.

Or a balance that is held beyond the music. Or dancing an adage in which the the music has been stretched almost beyond recognizability to cater to the dancer's desire for self. Dance is part of the music and neither should be distorted in service to the other.

Ballet is about so much more: beauty, artistry, conveyance of emotion, characterization, etc.

I do believe I recall that Fonteyn once said that she would never have made it into the company based on the standards of the last couple of decades. Well, for those of us who saw her that would have been an incalcuable loss. And you can probably add to that Pavlova, Karsavina, Ulanova, Markova, Danilova, and so many more great names. None of them did "leg to ear" dancing. They considered pirouettes with more than 2-3 rotations as vulgar. Perhaps we are learning that they had a point.

An extension a la seconde beyond 90 degrees distorts all the triangles that are created (the negative space has been disorted by the positive space) - and where or where does one put the arms that are supposed to compliment the triangles if the leg is to the ear?

In a 6 o'clock penché - where or where do you put the arms to complement/compliment that shape? You don't! However, in a penché which is less than perpendicular, the arms go very nicely indeed.

Perhaps the pendulum is swinging back to recapture the beauty of shape rather than the distortion of tricks. I hope so. At least we dare to speak of it and that's a start.


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wulff

04-05-06, 04:40 PM (GMT (ST))
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10. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   It is perhaps unfortunate that there is an appreciable, and sometimes very vocal, section of the ballet audience which considers extreme technical ability to be the mark of a "great" dancer. I once heard a man in the audience at the ROH explaining to his companion that the reason why Sylvie Guillem was such a great ballerina was because she could get her legs up higher than anybody else.

Turning to another of Donald's remarks during the masterclass (and they were many), he was critical of certain Russian conductors for slow tempi and for trying to follow a dancer too carefully, resulting in a progressive slowing down of the music to such an extent that the dancer was left struggling. In his opinion dancers sometimes need to be pushed musically in order to be able to give of their best.


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alison

04-05-06, 05:33 PM (GMT (ST))
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12. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   >Turning to another of Donald's remarks during the
>masterclass (and they were many), he was critical of certain
>Russian conductors for slow tempi and for trying to follow a
>dancer too carefully, resulting in a progressive slowing
>down of the music to such an extent that the dancer was left
>struggling.

I really wish I'd been able to go to this, now. It sounds as though it was an interesting evening, and I can imagine just who he was thinking of.


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ferlodewal

04-05-06, 08:58 PM (GMT (ST))
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13. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   Fair go guys.In the middle of a dance, you are enjoying yourself so much and you let go so completely, you do not have time to think this is the exact level or spot where I should leave my leg. From your training your body becomes your instrument and any movement that comes out of it is natural. If you are built like Sylvie Guillem or Zakharova you can't help it, it's exciting.


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wulff

04-05-06, 09:43 PM (GMT (ST))
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14. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   Well, it may be exciting for the dancer, but in my opinion these ultra high extensions are not always aesthetically pleasing; at least not in the classics anyway. Of course in modern works, if that's what the choreographer wants then that's OK by me. However, it does seem that the cult of extreme extensions does take its toll on the body and often has to be paid for in later life in the form of arthritis, hip replacements etc. Besides which, isn't ballet supposed to be about about control, rather than just letting go.

I remember some years ago discussing these matters with the late Joan Lawson, a lady who knew a thing or two about ballet injuries and the effect of ultra high extensions etc, and what she had to say about what they did to the hips and pelvis did not make for happy listening.


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Anjuli_Bai

04-05-06, 11:47 PM (GMT (ST))
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15. "RE: RB Masterclass tonight"
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   <<<<Besides which, isn't ballet supposed to be about about control, rather than just letting go.>>>>

Absolutely!

Emotional involvement is shown in other ways - not height of leg, oversplit of grand jeté or multiple pirouette rotation.

And Wulff is correct that this road of extreme physicality is strewn with injuries to dancers. Excessive anything leads to problems. We shouldn't wish this on our wonderful dancers.


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ferlodewal

05-05-06, 03:18 AM (GMT (ST))
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"And Wulff is correct that this road of extreme physicality is strewn with injuries to dancers. Excessive anything leads to problems. We shouldn't wish this on our wonderful dancers. "

Definitely not, we would not wish that.

I agree with you both regarding artistry ,hence generosity to your audience, control and looking after one's body.These are central to every dancer's training.

What I was refering to however was energy and passion and every dancer brings out these qualities differently.


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