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Claire S

08-05-03, 04:50 PM (GMT)
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"RB on BBC2 this year?"
 
   Is there to be a BBC2 braodcast from Covent Garden this year? I seem to remember someone mentioning Manon a long time ago but nothing has been announced. If my memory is correct there have been two TV broadcasts of operas this season (Magic Flute and Butterfly) so where's the ballet?

Anyone any ideas?


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  RE: RB on BBC2 this year? AnnaM 08-05-03 1
     RE: RB on BBC2 this year? charliewise 08-05-03 2
         RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Mandy 09-05-03 3
             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 09-05-03 4
                 RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Bluebird 09-05-03 5
                     RE: RB on BBC2 this year? sugar plum fairy 09-05-03 6
                         RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 09-05-03 7
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Ann Welsh 09-05-03 8
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 09-05-03 9
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Ann Welsh 09-05-03 10
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Helen 09-05-03 11
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? sugar plum fairy 12-05-03 12
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? AEHandley 12-05-03 14
  RE: RB on BBC2 this year? alison 12-05-03 13
     RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Sim 12-05-03 15
         RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Morgan 12-05-03 16
             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Brendan McCarthymoderator 13-05-03 17
                 RE: RB on BBC2 this year? AnnWilliams 13-05-03 18
                     RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 14-05-03 19
                         RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Brendan McCarthymoderator 14-05-03 20
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 14-05-03 21
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Brendan McCarthymoderator 14-05-03 22
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 14-05-03 23
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Brendan McCarthymoderator 14-05-03 24
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 14-05-03 25
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Bruceadmin 15-05-03 31
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Claire S 15-05-03 32
                             RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Bruceadmin 15-05-03 35
     RE: RB on BBC2 this year? alison 14-05-03 26
         RE: RB on BBC2 this year? Odette 14-05-03 27
             RE: Kirov on BBC Brendan McCarthymoderator 14-05-03 28
                 RE: Kirov on BBC Helen 14-05-03 29
                     RE: Kirov on BBC Brendan McCarthymoderator 14-05-03 30
                     RE: Kirov on BBC alison 15-05-03 34
                 RE: Kirov on BBC alison 15-05-03 33
                     RE: Kirov on BBC Brendan McCarthymoderator 15-05-03 36

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AnnaM

08-05-03, 05:58 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   Didn't they record last year's Manon with Sylvie?
The dvd should be out this July I guess....


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charliewise

08-05-03, 10:37 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   Wow can't wait for that! I saw the Omnibus documentary with Darcey from 1998 and it reminded me just how good Manon is and I nearly bought the Penney/Dowell vid today but now I'll hang on! Just out of interest what else has the BBC broadcast in recent years from the RB? (Except Don Q with Rojo and Kobburg)


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Mandy

09-05-03, 00:42 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   1. Nutcracker, with Miyako Yoshida as SPF, Alina as Clara.
Dowell as Drosselmeyer.(shown Xmas 01)
2. BRB Carmina Burana, (shown Xmas 02)
must be some others..................


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Claire S

09-05-03, 08:54 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   Plus Coppelia (shown almost-live winter 01) with Leanne Benjamin, Carlos Acosta and Luke Heydon.

This Christmas's ballet offerings were the Kirov's Scheherazade and Firebird, plus Royal Swedish Ballet in Swan Lake.

Does anyone have any idea if/when they are going to show Manon?


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Bluebird

09-05-03, 09:55 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   Plus The Firebird (Benjamin/Cope/Rosato/Drew) and Les Noces (Yanowsky/Pickering)- shown, I think, at the beginning of last year.

As for Manon, do we even know for sure that they recorded it?


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sugar plum fairy

09-05-03, 10:24 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   Isn't there something being shown in June on BBC2 about Carlos Acosta at Covent Garden??There was an article about more dance being shown on the station,so i think they are starting with the documentary about Carlos.


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Claire S

09-05-03, 10:29 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 09-05-03 AT 10:49 AM (GMT)

>Isn't there something being shown in
>June on BBC2 about Carlos
>Acosta at Covent Garden??There was
>an article about more dance
>being shown on the station,so
>i think they are starting
>with the documentary about Carlos.
>

I think it's an "Omnibus" documentary (or whatever the BBC has renamed "Omnibus" these days). But as I remember it, when the ROH reopened there was a commitment to showing one ballet and one opera a year - part of that token idea to open up the Royal Ballet to all the UK public. It just suddenly struck me that there had been two operas and no ballet so far . . .


And this is what Tony Hall was quoted as saying when he joined the ROH in 2001:

"As a result, increased television presence is another one of Hall's objectives for the new year. He is hoping to install equipment that will make broadcasting productions a little easier. Following talks with former BBC colleagues, BBC4 will be carrying a greater number of ROH productions."

Has anyone seen any ballet on BBC4? Does the channel show opera braodcasts? I don't have digital TV anymore but if BBC4 started showing some decent arts programming I'd have a Freeview box by the end of the day.


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Ann Welsh

09-05-03, 12:04 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   As I posted earlier, there's a small paragraph in this month's Dancing Times. Let me quote it now in full:-

"NEW ARTS PROGRAMME ON BBC PROFILES ACOSTA.

'Imagine', the new arts strand for BBC One, presented by Alan Yentob, starts in June and provides "a regular look at the people and topics making waves in galleries and concert halls, on catwalks and in theatre, in opera houses and museums". Among the opening selection of programmes is one called Carlos Acosta: The Reluctant Ballet Dancer, in which the young Cuban star is profiled for the first time by filmmaker Lucy Blaksted. It follows the preparation for his first show which will be given at Sadlers Wells in July and its premiere in Havana."

Well, it's a start and it's BBC1!


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Claire S

09-05-03, 12:09 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   >
>"NEW ARTS PROGRAMME ON BBC PROFILES
>ACOSTA.
>
>'Imagine', the new arts strand for
>BBC One, presented by Alan
>Yentob, starts in June and
>provides "a regular look at
>the people and topics making
>waves in galleries and concert
>halls, on catwalks and in
>theatre, in opera houses and
>museums". Among the opening
>selection of programmes is one
>called Carlos Acosta: The Reluctant
>Ballet Dancer, in which the
>young Cuban star is profiled
>for the first time by
>filmmaker Lucy Blaksted. It
>follows the preparation for his
>first show which will be
>given at Sadlers Wells in
>July and its premiere in
>Havana."
>
>Well, it's a start and it's
>BBC1!


Thanks, Ann. This is the revamped Omnibus, the BBC's tick the box that says they must have mainstream arts programming. But as you say, it's a start.


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Ann Welsh

09-05-03, 04:51 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   Talking about documentaries, there was that excellent 2-parter on BBC2 by Deborah Bull on 'The Dancer's Body'. Not sure of the date, but mid-summer 2002?

I reckon the only thing Channel 4 has put out was the Billy & Mike show - Ballet Boyz. But great entertainment nevertheless and a great insight into backstage shennanigans(?sp).


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Helen

09-05-03, 05:11 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   It would be nice to have Cinderella at Christmas.


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sugar plum fairy

12-05-03, 10:38 AM (GMT)
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12. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   I don't really care what ballet is shown as long as more IS shown on TV.I look forward to seeing the Carlos Acosta documentary,just hope more follow!


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AEHandley

12-05-03, 02:18 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   3 parter, yes, last summer. But it was said on these pages that Onegin and Manon would be filmed for broadcast this year.


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alison

12-05-03, 01:21 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   I can't speak for the RB or BBC2, but BBC*4*, unfortunately, is taping a Paul Taylor performance in Edinburgh which includes "Promethean Fire", to be shown in the autumn, which may be enough to make some readers go digital. Have we had many occasions on which former BBC4 productions have been later shown on "proper" TV?


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Sim

12-05-03, 03:33 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   I've seen a few BBC 4 productions on 'normal' TV, but most of them seem to be profiles of eminent people. Interesting though those are, a few of their arts productions wouldn't go amiss since the amount of arts programmes shown on 'normal' TV is so appalling! I keep dithering as to whether to buy the box and get BBC 4 so that I can see some decent TV....can anybody advise me whether it is worth it, on the whole? I know your answers are subjective, but I'd be interested to know what some of you think since it has been on the air more than a year now.


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Morgan

12-05-03, 08:27 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   Spotted this info on Ballet Alert from the USA, not to do with any ballet from our beloved Royal Ballet Company , but ,


7.00pm / Friday 30th May 2003 / 300th Anniversary Gala Mariinsky Theater Concert of Opera and Ballet, directed by Gergiev, BBC World Wide Live Telecast, ( tape delay to some countries).

It further mentions that Lopatkina is down to perform on that evening , and if so , well worth a look at just for her alone.

This is part of the White Nights Festival , but also in conjuntion with the Internional summit to be held in the citi that day .

Regards


David


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

13-05-03, 10:34 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   BBC2 will not, notwithstanding my earlier postings on other threads, be doing Manon, but will be televising the new Cinderella. And, as has already been mentioned, the BBC is covering the gala from the Mariinsky at the end of the month to celebrate the 300th anniversary of the founding of St. Petersburg.


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AnnWilliams

13-05-03, 11:21 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   This is very disappointing news, Brendan, though strangely I half expected it - it just seemed too enticing a prospect to be true!

Do you know why the BBC has decided to abandon its earlier plans?


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Claire S

14-05-03, 08:55 AM (GMT)
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19. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   This disappoints me but doesn't surprise me. It seems that the Royal Opera had TWO televised performances this year and the ballet NONE. This is appalling and goes against everything that has been spouted by TPTB since re-opening. Tony Hall's "talks with former BBC colleagues" about "increasing" the number of performances on BBC4 didn't come to much, did they?

So much for improved access. Another slap in the face for ballet fans.


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14-05-03, 09:00 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   As I understand it (and I am open to correction), the deal is for two performances a year shared between opera and ballet. That may be two operas, or two ballets, or one opera and one ballet. Many of the issues here, I'm afraid, are not principally ones for the BBC.


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Claire S

14-05-03, 09:09 AM (GMT)
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21. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   I think the chance of two ballets and no operas must be about a million to one!!!! I would love to be wproved wrong but know I won't be . . .

Are you saying, Brendan, that it's the ROH management that chooses which performances are televised?


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14-05-03, 09:45 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   "Stravinsky Staged" and "Don Q" were recorded in the same calendar year. So it does happen. Much of this, as far as I remember, is bound up with the conditions under which the Opera House redevelopment was funded by the National Lottery.

Whether productions make it to air or not is bound up with many different interests: the broadcasters, the ROH, a ballet's rights-holders and the performers themselves. It can be complicated to get everyone in line.

There is a great wish to get more dance on television. But it is rarely as simple as saying "Let's do x" and then doing it.


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Claire S

14-05-03, 10:20 AM (GMT)
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23. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   >
>There is a great wish to
>get more dance on television.
>But it is rarely as
>simple as saying "Let's do
>x" and then doing it.
>


Sorry, but I think if there really WAS a great wish, more would appear. Of course there are rights issues to be dealt with but they should not be insurmountable.

Rights issues seem to have been dealt with for the opening gala which had a huge number of productions included in excerpt form. I was working at the BBC at that time and I remember the only controversial issue was when it realised that the original plan to have the first half of the performance given over to ballet meant that the National Anthem would be conducted by Anthony Twiner. That would not do, hence opera took the first half and Bernard Haitink conducted the National Anthem.

And as I remember it National Lottery cash was given under the proviso of increased access. I currently work in the public funding sector and it is entirely normal that money granted via the Lottery - or the EU or SRB or any such public funding for that matter - is only done so on condition that the wider community benefit, not just the accountable body.

In this case the wider community seemed to be defined as that beyond the Opera House's normal clientele, and one straightforward way to do that is to televise performances. I recall Coppelia attracting an audience of about 1.2 million (not great for peak-time BBC2 but excellent for a ballet company trying to share their work with more people).

Now of course ballet is not scheduled into peak-time - or in this case isn't scheduled at all. I'm sure people sitting in their front rooms all over the country will find it of little consolation when exactly DonQ and the Stravinsky ballets were recorded - what ballet fans who are not fortunate or rich enough or close enough to attend RB live RB performances want is British ballet on their TV screens, as expected under the vast and controversial grant the ROH received to pretty-up the theatre.


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

14-05-03, 10:31 AM (GMT)
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24. "RE: RB on BBC2 this year?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-05-03 AT 11:05 AM (GMT)


>>I'm sure people
>sitting in their front rooms
>all over the country will
>find it of little consolation
>when exactly DonQ and the
>Stravinsky ballets were recorded -
>what ballet fans who are
>not fortunate or rich enough
>or close enough to attend
>RB live RB performances want
>is British ballet on their
>TV screens, as expected under
>the vast and controversial grant
>the ROH received to pretty-up
>the theatre.

Perfectly reasonable comment Claire - and I don't disagree - but I only mentioned 'Don Q' and 'Stravinsky Staged' in answer to your earlier 'million to one' point. The deal was always two performances a year, divided between opera and ballet, so no change there. You may find interesting a rather good piece in yesterday's FT Creative Business Supplement that addressed some of the wider issues of placing the arts on television, and this piece from last Saturday's Guardian by the independent producer David Herman.

On Claire's point about rights issues, there is nothing that can be done when the rights holder refuses to license performance for television, as happened with Onegin.



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Claire S

14-05-03, 12:15 PM (GMT)
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