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Brendan McCarthymoderator

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"The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2. This Tuesday - Sylvia"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 29-11-04 AT 02:26 PM (GMT)
 
The Ashton Exchange : Research Revelations and Debates

ROH2 is presenting a series of seminars and debates offering an academic focus on Ashton's contribution to ballet. Aimed at dancers, choreographers, critics, dance students, writers and scholars, the series will be curated by Professor Stephanie Jordan, Director of the Centre for Dance Research at Roehampton University.

  • 18 November 7.30
    Frederick Ashton: Dance Theatre And Contemporary Perspectives
    with Alastair Macaulay and David Vaughan
    Linbury Studio Theatre

  • 30 November 7.30
    The Search For Sylvia: Discussing Issues Of The Ballet's Reconstruction
    with Dr Geraldine Morris, Christopher Newton, Peter Farmer and ROH Production Staff
    Clore Studio Upstairs

  • 15 December 7.30
    Whose Style Is It Anyway? Exchanges Between Ashton, The Dancers And Training Methods
    with Dr Geraldine Morris
    Clore Studio Upstairs

    ******posting amended to include a change of date on Search for Sylvia


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      RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 Brendan McCarthymoderator 01-10-04 1
         RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 GW 17-11-04 2
             RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 Brendan McCarthymoderator 18-11-04 3
         RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 alison 18-11-04 4
             RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 JohnM 19-11-04 5
                 RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 Lynette H 19-11-04 6
                 RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 JohnM 24-11-04 7
                     RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 Bruceadmin 24-11-04 8
                         RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 ian_palmer 24-11-04 9
                             RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 alison 24-11-04 10
                                 RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 Paul A 25-11-04 13
                                 RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 ian_palmer 25-11-04 14
                                 RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 Paul A 25-11-04 15
                             RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 ami 24-11-04 11
                                 RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2 Grey Rabbit 24-11-04 12
                     Ashton Exchange, 2nd event JohnM 09-12-04 17
                         RE: Ashton Exchange, 2nd event alison 10-12-04 18
                             RE: Ashton Exchange, 2nd event JohnM 10-12-04 19
                                 RE: Ashton Exchange, 2nd event Bluebird 10-12-04 20
      RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2. This Tuesday - Sylvia GW 30-11-04 16
         RE: The Ashton Exchange: Whose Style is it Anyway ? Lynette H 16-12-04 21
             RE: The Ashton Exchange: Whose Style is it Anyway ? JohnM 16-12-04 22
                 RE: More events Lynette H 17-12-04 23
                     RE: More events JohnM 17-12-04 24
                         RE: More events alison 18-12-04 25
                 The Ashton Exchange III: Whose Style is it Anyway ? JohnM 11-01-05 26
                     RE: The Ashton Exchange III: Whose Style is it Anyway ? alison 12-01-05 27
                         RE: The Ashton Exchange III: Whose Style is it Anyway ? Anjuli_Bai 12-01-05 28
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         Alchemist Ashton Jane Sadmin 01-02-05 30
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                 RE: Alchemist Ashton alison 02-02-05 32
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                             RE: Alchemist Ashton Lynette H 09-02-05 35
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                                 RE: Ashton to Stravinsky - A Study of Four Ballets 23/02 Bluebird 19-02-05 39
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                                 RE: Ashton Exchange: Ashton the Musician Lynette H 15-04-05 44
                                 RE: Ashton Exchange: Ashton the Musician alison 15-04-05 45
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    Brendan McCarthymoderator

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    1. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
    In response to message #0
     
       LAST EDITED ON 18-11-04 AT 08:05 AM (GMT)
     
    The first Ashton Exchange is today. According to the ROH website, David Vaughan will open the seminar series with a discussion of Ashton's modernism, while also assessing the relevance of the Ashton repertory today. Alastair Macaulay addresses the question of how the individual structures of the choreographer's ballets connect to their dance styles, identifying too what is profoundly expressive in his choreography and what is essentially 'Ashtonian'.

    Details on the ROH site. Tickets are free, booking via the ROH box office.


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    GW

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    2. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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    I only just noticed this discrepancy but the Search for Sylvia event is on 30 November.

    Graham


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    Brendan McCarthymoderator

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    3. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       LAST EDITED ON 18-11-04 AT 09:44 AM (GMT)
     
    I had simply posted the press release and there is a discrepancy. You are clearly right as I notice my ticket for the second event is dated 30 November. Thanks for pointing it out. I will amend the top posting.


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    alison

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    4. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       Could somebody please report on these? I don't think I can make any of the dates


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    JohnM

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    5. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       Interesting. Small audience. More to follow!


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    6. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       There will be more of them in the New Year, Alison, if you can't make these. How many wasn't clear, but they did mention one specificaly - Jane Pritchard on the early works.


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    JohnM

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    7. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       Ashton Exchange is a series of public lectures and other 'stimulating events' at the Royal Opera House, which are part of the Ashton centenary programme. So far announced are 'The Search for Sylvia' on November 30th, 'Whose Style Is It Anyway' on December 15th and last Thursday's introductory 'Dance Theatre and Contemporary Perspectives'. These are ticketed events, but free. The first event was not well attended (I counted 50), partly because of poor advertising, perhaps too because of a clash with a Ballet Association meeting, and horrible weather. The descriptive blurb on the website says that the series is 'aimed at an informed audience, especially dancers, choreographers, critics, dance students, writers and scholars' – slightly off-putting for those like me who don't quite fit any of the categories.

    Chairing the meeting was Stephanie Jordan, Research Professor in Dance at Roehampton University. In her introductory remarks she commented that Ashton might well have been bemused by academic interest in his work, perhaps feeling that interrogating dance in this way was an irrelevant activity, and to the detriment of the art. She attempted to lay to rest this canard. (After all the whole aim of Ashton Exchange is to look at the works from a variety of academic viewpoints.)

    The first speaker was David Vaughan, known to most as the author of the indispensable 'Frederick Ashton and his Ballets', recently seen in London alongside Merce Cunningham as storyteller in 'How to Pass, Kick, Fall and Run'. His starting point was the neglect into which the Ashton ballets fell after his death in 1988. An obituary categorised him as having 'a light but sentimental talent', and Ashton himself didn't think that much of his work would survive. In the last 10 years, and especially now at the centenary, this situation has changed and audiences and administration are giving him his due.

    Ashton was, and is, criticised as being out of touch with modern life and lacking in seriousness. In his own defence he wrote in 1958: 'ballets about current social happenings date as quickly as yesterday's newspaper'. His wartime ballets, especially Dante Sonata, showed that he could respond to contemporary events, but post-war he revealed himself as a classical choreographer par excellence.

    In a digression Vaughan talked his work with Merce Cunningham and his interest in Ashton – two very different directions of 20th Century choreography. He reconciles them, saying that Ashton is a classicist who can be modernist in being concerned with 'the purity of the dance expressing nothing but itself', and Cunningham a modernist whose art can be classical. He sees both men's 'abstract' works having 'a personal fount of emotion from which the choreography springs'.

    In discussing Ashton as story-teller, Vaughan quoted WH Auden: 'The subject of the poem is the peg to hang the poetry on'. The same could be said of Ashton's narrative ballets. To paraphrase (and Vaughan didn't say this) 'It's the steps, stupid!'. Ashton's most important contribution was the extension of the poetic language of ballet, not its narrative language.

    'Modernist, classicist, romantic, wit' was Vaughan's summary and he finished by quoting Joan Acocella who compared the traits in his work to those in the English novel from Jane Austen to Penelope Fitzgerald, authors who can 'unearth feelings that we barely know we have but which, once you show them to us, we realise we've been living on for our whole lives'. This, in Ashton's case, by means of the dance itself.

    Alistair Macaulay, dance critic of the Times Literary Supplement, and seemingly ubiquitous these days at teaching events at the ROH, after ranking Ashton as the greatest British choreographer, started his talk with a list of apparent limitations. Ashton said 'the trouble is I have such good taste', but to our eyes he often seems conservative, close to kitsch, his works weighed down with rose petals, pink ribbons and little animals, showing an English regression to the nursery. And what about the women who exist only for romantic love?

    Compared to Balanchine who 'makes time and space more fluid' with the prospect of change and transcendence, Ashton's works seem to exist in a closed world. Of his story ballets, The Dream, more perfect than the play, is nonetheless smaller in conception than the Shakespeare, or Balanchine's version. In A Month in the Country he softens and blurs the sharp edges of the play. 'If Kenneth MacMillan hadn't come along, someone would have had to invent him.'

    'But, and a big but', Ashton was a great lyric dramatist in the way he used steps to elucidate his stories. Macaulay gave a series of detailed examples from Cinderella, Fille ('my poor man's Pastoral Symphony') and other ballets, of intricacies in the choreography which illuminate the whole. Compared to some others, Ashton used the steps rather than gesture and costume to characterise his dancers and get his meaning across.

    (It's difficult to discuss and analyse ballet without showing examples: Macaulay is a dancer manqué, tries hard with his demonstrations, and does remarkably well!)

    Margot Fonteyn in an memorial tribute to Ashton wrote 'he once said that he could not remember innocence, that he had always seen through people to their hearts, their motives, their characters', the mystery being how he came to translate his insights into movement. Paradoxically Macaulay feels that innocence is one of the main characteristics of Ashton's work, showing a 'dewiness' and blitheness in his characters.

    Some loss of Ashton style is almost inevitable with the passing of time, but it is encouraging that the current polyglot Royal Ballet is able to dance as if brought up in the Ashton tradition. (All the speakers mentioned the Ashton Trust as most important here.)

    The final element Macaulay drew from Ashton's work was his ability to involve the audience kinaesthetically – that is to make them feel the steps in their own bodies. He mentioned particularly the 'walking on air' sequences as having that effect on him.

    Questions and discussion were wide-ranging, from the use of the stage of the Linbury theatre to keep some of the smaller works in repertory, to American attitudes to Ashton then and now. This was a good introductory session of what should be a fascinating series.


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    Bruceadmin

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    8. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       Thank you for agreeing to cover this for us John - really appreciated and a fine piece of work. I'll add to the magazine shortly and link back here also. Thanks once again.


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       >>Of his story ballets, The Dream, more perfect than the play, is nonetheless smaller in conception than the Shakespeare.<<

    I agree that "The Dream" is almost perfect, but to say it is more perfect than the play, is something with which I would have to disagree. The play is a complete and utter work of genius. (And great fun to read aloud the mechanicals scene when drunk at a party!)


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       Well, after I'd seen it for the second time, I did wonder why Shakespeare had wasted 5 acts on what Ashton had managed to condense into one


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    13. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       >Well, after I'd seen it for the second time, I did wonder
    >why Shakespeare had wasted 5 acts on what Ashton had managed
    >to condense into one


    Well said. And the Balanchine is boring too.

    Not sure I agree with Macauley on A Month in the Country - about blurring the sharp edges of the play. Think Ashton totally misunderstood the play - the ballet invites us to see it as a tragegy not the comedy it is - but how he reduced 3 hours 20 minutes into 40-odd is a marvel: musing the other day what impact you would have on the play if you cut it along the lines of the ballet libretto.


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    14. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       Think Ashton
    >totally misunderstood the play - the ballet invites us to
    >see it as a tragegy not the comedy it is

    I think in the Turgenev play there is no real distinction between the tragedy and the comedy - it's all painted in faint brush-strokes. For me Ashton pitches this absolutely perfectly - though not quite as perfectly as Macmillan does with "The Three Sisters".

    With regard to "Midsummer Night's Dream" - to cut something down from five acts to one does not necessarily mean it is greater. Shakespeare has the benefit of language to sustain the play, and the use of language in that particular play is phenomenal. Ashton uses another form of language which would not be practical in a five-act format.


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    15. "RE: The Ashton Exchange: ROH 2"
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       >I think in the Turgenev play there is no real distinction
    >between the tragedy and the comedy - it's all painted in
    >faint brush-strokes.

    Not sure I understand you. Don't think there's anything faint about the play: the characters and the situations are very sharply drawn.

    For me Ashton pitches this absolutely
    >perfectly - though not quite as perfectly as Macmillan does
    >with "The Three Sisters".

    What Ashton created is perfectly pitched: I don't think it's a true reading of Turgenev. What are you supposed to feel about Natalia at the end? The ballet invites pity, the play doesn't.

    Have to beg to differ on Winter Dreams - the Trevor Nunn/ RSC production of Three Sisters in the late 70s absolutely illuminated what Chekhov was about for me (had really struggled with him till then) - don't think MacMillan gets anywhere near.

    >With regard to "Midsummer Night's Dream" - to cut something
    >down from five acts to one does not necessarily mean it is
    >greater.

    I didn't suggest it was - but to convey all the spirit of a play so completely is masterly.

    Shakespeare has the benefit of language to sustain
    >the play, and the use of language in that particular play is
    >phenomenal.

    It's never struck me. I can see what you mean more obviously in other plays.



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